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The site now hosts three distinct dialects: older two are Shadowlandian and Horngoth, and the new one was created specially for Black Speech School called Nûrlâm (means “Scholar Language” in Shadowlandian). However older dictionary contains words from other 8 large dialects but not new Nûrlâm, while new one has only one dialect inside. Nûrlâm's dictionary is better organized and regularly updated (which is the reason why I had no time to unite them), and it's online version has more features.

Nûrlâm dictionary
More than 1900 words and growing almost every day.
(Last updated on 23 Jan 2023)
Orcish–English–Russian dictionary
More than 6800 words. It is the most full and correct vocabulary of other Neo Black Speech dialects (about 9 + subdialects).
(Last updated on 8 Sep 2022)



bjornaxen  2016-06-07, 16:27:50

How many words is the Svartiska wordlist that you've incorporated? I have one of 2300 words

Un4givenOrc  2016-06-07, 17:14:51

2350 roughly, but this includes different spellings of same word, cognate words and some Shadowlandian words marked as SV (however I haven't found some of them in my pure Svartiska sources).
The whole dictionary here is based on Red Hand wordlist by Lugrekh, but it is being slowly corrected and appended since opening of this site. All sources are listed in "Links" section, but most of them  are gone now

bjornaxen  2016-06-07, 22:57:55

Ok it is probably generally the same list then. You've mentioned somewhere that some of the words sound a bit silly slavic languages and have noticed that there are some words that are taken directly from russian like 'iz' (from) and of course the plural suffix -i. There are some words that are taken directly from scandinavian as well e.g. 'auga' (eye).

Un4givenOrc  2016-06-09, 22:56:22

And some Turkish-like too, i.e. Kazan, Jatagan
plural suffix -i can also be from Latin

bjornaxen  2016-06-11, 00:08:28

yes, and there is also a plural marker -i in Quenya

Un4givenOrc  2016-06-29, 12:36:33

Should I add information about real language sources into dictionary?

bjornaxen  2017-12-02, 01:18:17

I just noticed that a very common svartiska word is not glossed right in the dictionary. The word "pot" means "here" (Swedish "här") but when you put a verbal ending on it means "to come" - the rational is that when you act to come _here_. The imperative is "pot" which also means just "here". The dictionary seems to only have the verb meaning.

Un4givenOrc  2017-12-03, 18:51:29

Is it written just "pot" or with long vowel ("pôt") as in my dictionary?
Can it be used in expressions like "it is here"?

Un4givenOrc  2017-12-04, 21:43:36

I'm looking through Utumno's Black Speech brochure, and it contains a lot of words absent in my dictionaries. Should I consider them Svartiska or Zhaaburi A?

bjornaxen  2017-12-04, 23:07:04

It's written "pot" and yes it can be used that way - "za ti pot" (it is here).

Actually I'm translating the zhâburi A-list right now. My idea was to label it as Svartiska but maybe it's just easier to just list them as Zhâburi A. But that's up to you. I have some more words for Zhâburi A which are not on that list.

bjornaxen  2017-12-15, 00:58:43

The Svartiska words are coined by Swedes and j is pronounced as y in English "yes". In my experience this is very difficult for English native speakers to understand. I suggest to change every Svartiska j to y in the dictionary or publish a table with sound descriptions for the different dialects. I can provide you with a sound table.

Un4givenOrc  2017-12-16, 09:50:30

Maybe I will add a note to Lesson II - Sounds and Pronunciation. For me it was obvious
However I was in doubt about ch (should it be pronounced as in English or German). I found an answer at your pages

bjornaxen  2017-12-31, 14:46:13

I saw that the word for market is quite similar to the Swedish word for square "torg" which of course is the place you have the market

trog - n  market  LOS, SV, MERP, HORN

Un4givenOrc  2017-12-31, 15:42:15

in Slavic languages "torg" is what happens at the market (translated as "trade")

bjornaxen  2018-01-01, 14:00:59

Yes of course I knew that

Interesting - scandinavian got 'torg' from old slavic

From Old Norse torg, from Old East Slavic търгъ (tŭrgŭ, “trade, trading, commerce; (trade) square”),[1] from Proto-Slavic *tъrgъ. Cognate with Danish torv and Swedish torg (“a city square”).


rje  2019-04-11, 17:51:22

Hey there, good to see Black Speech is alive and well!  I'm the scribe who put together the notes on Horngoth, waaaay back in 2003 or so.

Scatha and I corresponded and collaborated regularly during that timeframe; that's why there's a bit of overlap.  I think she ended up with a larger vocabulary, spending effort getting to a 'critical mass' of usable words.  However, the nice thing about Black Speech is that the vocabularies are pretty inter-useful across dialects.

Off and on, I've wanted to clean up my grammar notes, but I don't know if there's any interest.  Any thoughts?

Un4givenOrc  2019-04-12, 11:08:30

Unfortunately there're not much feedback here and messages about Black Speech at various social networks are very scarce. But at least me and author of Zhaburi dialect may be interested.
I saw some Perfect and Passive suffixes for verbs in Horngoth dictionary but without any example it's not absolutely clear how to use them. The other interesting Horngoth feature are some postpositions used the same as Latin prefixes. This part of language also requires clarification (they are not even visible at Horngoth pages, only in raw datafile).

Currently I'm working on a new dialect which will be called "Nûrlâm" (lit. scholar language). I can give the link to it's current state via e-mail and interesting in some critique.

bjornaxen  2019-04-14, 10:42:13

Hi! Interesting to hear from the Horngoth scribe. I'm actually trying to make sense of that dialect and publish my own summary on my site.


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