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 Despite simple structure and grammar, this text is very challenging to translate because of rich lexicon with sound-imitations which would be nice to keep in translation. I had to add several new words to Nûrlâm's dictionary. However according to Appendix F of LOTR, orcs of Moria and Misty Mountains spoke Westron and not Black Speech. So this is just translation exercise and not an attempt to reconstruct this song in the native language of goblins. Despite simple structure and grammar, this text is very challenging to translate because of rich lexicon with sound-imitations which would be nice to keep in translation. I had to add several new words to Nûrlâm's dictionary. However according to Appendix F of LOTR, orcs of Moria and Misty Mountains spoke Westron and not Black Speech. So this is just translation exercise and not an attempt to reconstruct this song in the native language of goblins.
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-<WRAP center round todo 60%> 
-<todo>Make a translation</todo> 
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 ===== The List of required words ===== ===== The List of required words =====
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 ^ English ^ Nûrlâm ^ Etymology and comments ^ ^ English ^ Nûrlâm ^ Etymology and comments ^
-| and     | agh | TK (RI) | +| and     | agh    | TK (RI) | 
-| batter  | pûlp- | LOS (to beat), probably from Quenya "palpa" (to beat, batter) | +| batter  | pûlp-  | LOS (to beat), probably from Quenya "palpa" (to beat, batter) | 
-| beat    | bump- | HG < LOS "bum-" < MB | +| beat    | bump-  | HG < LOS "bum-" < MB | 
-| below   | | | +| below   | lata   | EL (under, below, beneath) | 
-| black   | bûrz | TK (RI) "dark", better than "mor" suits the sound of song | +| black   | bûrz   | TK (RI) "dark", better than "mor" suits the sound of song | 
-| bleat   | | | +| bleat   | blîn   | NL, merging common Indo-European word of sound-imitating origin with Qenya "nýe" < Primitive Elvish "NYENE", which was early etymology of Vala's name "Nienna" | 
-| clap    | thlakh | NL < Noldorin "tlach(a)" (to clap, clash, clatter) | +| clap    | thlakh | NL < Noldorin "tlach(a)" (clap, clash, clatter) | 
-| clash   | | | +| clash   | thlazg | see "clap" (thlakh) | 
-| crack   | | | +| crack   | grik   | NL < Qenya "kirkis" + Sindarin "criss" | 
-| crash   | | | +| crash   | zurg   | NL < RN "zgurum" < LOS "zgur" (thunder) < MB | 
-| crush   | | | +| crush   | tûp-   | all major dialects < SV "shatûp" | 
-| dare    | | |  +| dare    | hûr-   | LOS |  
-| down    | | | +| down    | dhu    | HG (downwards) | 
-| far     | | |  +| far     | baubarz | HG "baub" |  
-| go      | | | +| go      | ukh-   | LOS | 
-| goblin  | | | +| goblin  | uruk   | TK "orc" | 
-| gong    | | | +| gong    | damb   | NL, both words from Qenya "tump" (to build, beat), "tompa" (small drum), "tombo" (gong) | 
-| grab    | | | +| :::     | tump   | ::: | 
-| grip    | | | +| grab    | khlaf- | NL < Gnomish "clamfa" | 
-| hammer  | | | +| :::     | rop-((may be used to translate both "grab" and "grip")) | NL < all major dialects "rok-" (seize, grasp, grip) melted with Primitive Elvish "RAPH" (seize, grab, snatch) | 
-| knocker | | | +| grip    | mank-  | NL < Qenya "makte" (hold, grip), Gnomish "manc" (grip, grasp, hold) (n), "manca" (to grab, seize) < Primitive Elvish "MAHA" (grasp) | 
-| lad     | | | +| hammer  | drang  | NL < LOS < HG "drâgh" + Sindarin "dring" (Glamdring aka "Foe-hammer" aka "Beater") < Etym. (to beat, strike); compare with NL "drag" (dull, blunt) and SV "darga" (club) | 
-| laugh   | | | +| knocker | tuhal  | NL, SV "hutog-" > "hut" > "tuh" (to knock) | 
-| my      | | | +| lad     | nonk   | NL < Gnomish "nogin" | 
-| nab     | |  | +| laugh   | lal-   | NL < Quenya "lala" | 
-| nor     | | | +| my      | dab    | HG | 
-| pinch   | | | +| nab     | mraf-  | NL < merging Quenya "arpo" (seizer, thief), Middle Quenya "raf-" (snatch, seize) < Primitive Elvish "RAPH" (to seize, grab, snatch) with Middle Quenya "mapa" (to grasp, seize), Qenya "(a)mapta" (to ravish, seize and carry off forcibly) < Primitive Elvish "MAP", "MAPA", "NAPA" (to lay hold of with hand, seize) | 
-| pound   | | | +| nor     | agh nar | lit. "and don't" | 
-| quaff   | | | +| pinch   | rikh-   | NL < Etym. "RIK(H)" (jerk, sudden move, flirt); compare with Quenya "rinca", "rihta" (to jerk, give quick twist or move, twitch), Noldorin "rhinc" (twitch, jerk, trick, sudden move), "rhintha" (to jerk, twitch, snatch)| 
-| round   | | | +| pound   | sud-    | HG | 
-| shirk   | | | +| quaff   | shog-   | DS (only "to drink") | 
-| smack   | | | +| round   | kurn    | LOS "around";\\ "round" here denotes motion in circles, so adposition "around" was chosen for translation instead of noun of adjective for shape "round" | 
-| smash   | | | +| shirk   | frût-   | NL < LOS "frûz" (lazy) and "fraut-" (sit down, rest) | 
-| snap    | | | +| smack   | thaik-  | NL < merging Primitive Elvish "TYAVA" (to savour, taste) with Gnomish "côf" written reversed\\ obviously here it is sound of whip similar to sound of lips and tongue | 
-| swish   | | | +| smash   | barsh-  | NL < LOS "barash-" < SV | 
-| to      | | |  +| :::     | margz-  | SV | 
-| tongs   | | | +| snap    | gark-   | NL < Qenya "nark" (snap of a dog) | 
-| town    | | | +| swish   | thîth-  | NL < Gnomish "tif", "siptha" (to whistle) | 
-| underground | | | +| to      | -ishi   | TK\\ motion to the bottom -- Illative case|  
-| while   | | | +| tongs   | dan     | ON | 
-| whip    | | | +| town    | fulz    | NL, merging Quenya "opele" (walled house, village, town), Gnomish "pel" (village, hamlet, -ham), Edain "obel" (town) < Etym. "PEL(ES)" (fenced field) with LOS "fulg-" (to dwell) | 
-| work    | | | +| underground | lata ghâmp | LOS, literal translation | 
-| yammer  | | | +| while   | kusn    | LOS < SV | 
-| you     | | |+| whip    | hauk    | HG (v) < SV "fashaukalog" | 
 +| work    | bul-    | NL < DS (PO) "bulu" < Quenya "mólë" (n) < Etym. "MBOL"? | 
 +| :::     | snag-   | NL (toil) < LOS (labor, serve, work) < TK "Snaga"\\ this one may be more suitable for the work as a slave | 
 +| yammer  | shîk-   | LOS (to scream)\\ here "yammer" means some annoying sound accompanied by "bleat" rather than "yell, complain" | 
 +| you     | fi      | NL < Gnomish singular "fi" + Hurrian standalone singular "fe" |
  
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 ===== The Translation ===== ===== The Translation =====
  
 +Word order was slightly changed for better rhyme:
 +
 +  Thlakh! Gark! Grikum bûrz!
 +  Mank! Khlaf! Rikh! Mraf!
 +  Agh dhu dhu ishi Urukfulz
 +    Fi ukh, nonkdab!
 +    
 +  Thlazg, zurg! Tûp, margz!
 +  Drang agh dan! Tuhal agh damb!
 +  Sud, sud, lata ghâmp baubarz!
 +    Ho, ho! nonkdab!
 +    
 +  Thîth, thaik! Hauk grik!
 +  Pûlp agh bump! Blîn agh shîk!
 +  Snag, snag! Frûtut nar hûr!
 +  Kusn uruk shogû agh uruk lalû,
 +  Kurn agh kurn lata ghâmp baubarz! 
 +    Lata, nonkdab!
 +  
 +I suggest that longer sentences (3rd line in verses 1 and 2, lines number 4 and 5 in verse 3) should be pronounced with reduced pauses between words (e.g. "lataghâmp").
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