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 | Nûzu | orc of Cirith Ungol (The War of the Ring), replaced by Shagram | | | | Nûzu | orc of Cirith Ungol (The War of the Ring), replaced by Shagram | | |
 | Orcobal | an orc leader in the Fall of Gondolin, not a BS name | //mighty orc//, //cruel orc// | Qenya "orko", Sindarin "bâl" (divine power), "beleg" (mighty), Gnomish "balc" (cruel), see Balcmeg | | Orcobal | an orc leader in the Fall of Gondolin, not a BS name | //mighty orc//, //cruel orc// | Qenya "orko", Sindarin "bâl" (divine power), "beleg" (mighty), Gnomish "balc" (cruel), see Balcmeg |
-| Othrod | an orc leader in the Fall of Gondolin, The Qenya/Eldarin form of his name was Osorot | //mountain-like// | ? OS- (about, around) \\ \\ ÓROT (mountain) |+| Othrod | an orc leader in the Fall of Gondolin, The Qenya/Eldarin form of his name was Osorot | //mountain-like//,\\ <del>Lord of the Host</del> (MERP) | ? OS- (about, around) \\ ÓROT (mountain)\\ ROD (cave)\\ \\ ? Sindarin "hoth" (host, horde) + Early Noldorin "-rod" agentive suffix |
 | Radbug | an orc of Cirith Ungol killed by Shagrat | <del>calling (now)</del> (LOS),\\ <del>strider</del> (HG) | ? bug < Noldorin "baug" (tyrannous, cruel, oppressive) < Etym. "MBAW" | | Radbug | an orc of Cirith Ungol killed by Shagrat | <del>calling (now)</del> (LOS),\\ <del>strider</del> (HG) | ? bug < Noldorin "baug" (tyrannous, cruel, oppressive) < Etym. "MBAW" |
 | Rog | Rog the Fleet, a name given to Egnor (father of Beren, later renamed to Barahir) by orcs (1st Age, BOLT II: I. The Tale of Tinúviel) | | | | Rog | Rog the Fleet, a name given to Egnor (father of Beren, later renamed to Barahir) by orcs (1st Age, BOLT II: I. The Tale of Tinúviel) | | |
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 | Ufthak | an orc of Cirith Ungol, captured by Shelob (LOTR III) | <del>scary face</del> (LOS) | uf < UGU (negative prefix), ÚLUG, ÚLGU (horrible, hideous)\\ \\ thak < THÊ (a look, face) | | Ufthak | an orc of Cirith Ungol, captured by Shelob (LOTR III) | <del>scary face</del> (LOS) | uf < UGU (negative prefix), ÚLUG, ÚLGU (horrible, hideous)\\ \\ thak < THÊ (a look, face) |
 | [[orcish_curse|Uglúk]] | an Uruk-hai captain of Isengard slain by Eomer (LOTR III) | <del>frighten everybody</del> ([[alexandre_nemirovsky|Nemirovsky]]),\\ <del>slayer of all</del> (LOS) | ? Hurrian "ugil" (frighten)\\ ? UGU (negative prefix)\\ ? ÚLUG, ÚLGU (horrible, hideous) | | [[orcish_curse|Uglúk]] | an Uruk-hai captain of Isengard slain by Eomer (LOTR III) | <del>frighten everybody</del> ([[alexandre_nemirovsky|Nemirovsky]]),\\ <del>slayer of all</del> (LOS) | ? Hurrian "ugil" (frighten)\\ ? UGU (negative prefix)\\ ? ÚLUG, ÚLGU (horrible, hideous) |
-| Yagûl((also spelled "Yagool", see WJ)) | orc of Minas Morgul (mentioned in Sauron Defeated and The War of the Ring), replaced by Gorbag | ? wraith, \\ <del>grey wraith</del> (HG) | ? yag < YA (old) or YAY (mocking, scorn)\\ \\ gûl is BS as in Nazgûl |+| Yagûl((also spelled "Yagool", see WJ)) | orc of Minas Morgul (mentioned in Sauron Defeated and The War of the Ring), replaced by Gorbag | ? wraith, \\ <del>grey wraith</del> (HG) | ? ya(g) < YA (old) or YAG (gap) as in PN "Moria" or YAY (mocking, scorn)\\ \\ gûl is BS as in Nazgûl |
 | Zaglûn | orc of Minas Morgul (The War of the Ring), replaced by Yagûl and later by Gorbag | | ? zag < SAG (bitter, poison)\\ \\ ? lûn < Doriathrin & Ilkorin "luin" (pale), Noldorin "lhûn" (blue) < Etym. "LUG"[2], "LUY" | | Zaglûn | orc of Minas Morgul (The War of the Ring), replaced by Yagûl and later by Gorbag | | ? zag < SAG (bitter, poison)\\ \\ ? lûn < Doriathrin & Ilkorin "luin" (pale), Noldorin "lhûn" (blue) < Etym. "LUG"[2], "LUY" |
  
-//Sauron// is the name in Quenya (Thauron, Gorthaur in Sindarin). //Morgoth// is considered also as Sindarin word (a name given to Melkor by Fëanor) with translations "Black Foe" or "Dark Tyrant". Chapter "The List of Names" of "The Lost Road and Other Writings" states that orcs called him the same but with meaning "Dark Lord". But more frequently he was referred simply as "Goth" ("Master"). Probably this word was later used for Sauron also, specially when he started the cult of Morgoth and even call himself a "Morgoth returned". In "The Book Of Lost Tales" (HOME 1) there is also a name of servant of Melkor, "Fankil" aka "Fúkil" aka "Fangli" of unknown origin, whose role was later taken by Sauron. "The Lays of Beleriand" (HOME 3) have "Lungorthin" name for lord of Balrogs (untranslated, probably means "Heavy Idol" in Gnomish), which was replaced with "Gothmog" in later writings and published Silmarillion.+//Sauron// is the name in Quenya (Thauron, Gorthaur in Sindarin). //Morgoth// is considered also as Sindarin word (a name given to Melkor by Fëanor) with translations "Black Foe" or "Dark Tyrant". Chapter "The List of Names" of "The Lost Road and Other Writings" states that orcs called him the same but with meaning "Dark Lord". But more frequently he was referred simply as "Goth" ("Master"). Probably this word was later used for Sauron also, specially when he started the cult of Morgoth and even call himself a "Morgoth returned". In "The Book Of Lost Tales" (HOME 1) there is also a name of servant of Melkor, "Fankil" aka "Fúkil" aka "Fangli" of unknown origin, whose role was later taken by Sauron. "The Lays of Beleriand" (HOME 3) have "Lungorthin" name for lord of Balrogs (untranslated, probably means "Heavy Idol" in Gnomish), which was replaced with "Gothmog" in later writings and published Silmarillion. Beren and Felagund called themselves "Nereb" and "Dungalef" when were disguised as orcs, but these names are mere anagrams of their real names, and thus are not listed here.
  
 ==== Table of possible Black Speech roots ==== ==== Table of possible Black Speech roots ====
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