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Приложение Б – Краткий свод правил

There are tables with basic grammar rules for Shadowlandian dialect. Svartiska and Horngoth use a little different ones, which can be found in English-Orkish dictionary.

Nouns

Pluralizing

Singular Plural suffix  Collective Plural
person
shara (a human), mau (warrior)

shara turu (many humans), mau krâk (five warriors)
-ûk, -hai
shara-hai (humans), maûk (all warriors)
consonant ending
duf (knife), hont (eye)
-u
dufu (knives), hontu (eyes)
-ûk
dufûk (all knives)
goiûk (all cities)
vowel ending
goi (city)
-z
goiz (cities)

Suffix order

1 2 3 4 5
gender  article  case  postposition  number


Adjectives

Pluralizing

Singular Plural suffix  Examples
consonant ending -u ûsumu bûrzu (dark thoughts)
vowel ending -z urûk kûz (old orcs)

Comparison

Degree Suffix Examples
Regular   gothûrz (powerful), kû (old)
Comparative -ar gothûrzar snû (more powerful than), kûar (elder)
Superative -az gothûrzaz (the most powerful), kûaz (the eldest)


Verbs

Tense 1st, 2nd person 3rd person sing. 3rd person pl.
Infinitive -at -at -at
Present -at -ut
Future -ub -ubat -ubut
Past -uz -uzat -uzut


Participles

Tense Suffix
active passive
Participle I -ug -aga
Perfect Participle I -ugz -ufa
Participle II
-uga


Word Order

1. Subject  2. Attribute  3. Predicate  4. Direct object  5. Indirect object  6. Adjunct 
n adj v n
pron
n (+ prep)
pron (+ prep)
adv
n + prep

Notice: if the subject is a pronoun then it is suffixed to the verb.


Example

Yesterday the great warrior Uglakh brought the magical ring to his lord
6 2 1 3 4 5
Uglakh mau bûbhosh thrakuz nazg dushûrz gothtabu ârshlût


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Комментарии

Scatha  2014-09-24, 04:01:03

Has anyone here ever tried the lessons? I think some of them may need some corrections and updates.  Let me know your thoughts.


bjornaxen  2016-06-08, 09:43:39

The Swedish LARP-orcish Svartiska was not really created by a single LARP-group but by the community of orc-larpers where different groups created different dialects.


bjornaxen  2017-12-15, 00:47:08

On pronunciation

There is an orc name that begins with y - Yagul - in The War of the Ring (The History of Middle Earth, vol. 8 )

I think Tolkien pronounce Mordor in Elvish, it is after all an Elvish name meaning Black land in Sindarin (or "shadows" in Quenya). It has nothing to do with pronunciation of the Black Speech.

And what about the sounds in the excercise: -qu- in "throqu-" and sr- in "srinkh-"? Especially -qu- seems out of place. Why not spell it kv or kw?


Un4givenOrc  2017-12-16, 10:01:39
bjornaxen wrote:

And what about the sounds in the excercise: -qu- in "throqu-" and sr- in "srinkh-"?

Yes, there as some issues with qu, specially when next letter is also u. Could be also spelled like Q. It appears only in words borrowed from elvish languages. I will replace it with something else if I would create new dialect.

I think there is nothing special with sr, for me it's easier to say than thr (thrakatulat).


bjornaxen  2017-12-23, 02:02:28

Does comparative and superlative adjectives, and adverbs mark plural?

The dark tower - lugbrz; the darkest tower - lugbrzaz; the darkest towers - lugbrzazu

uruk ghshuzat hzarz lug "the old orc quickly burned the tower"; urukz ghshuzut hzarzu lug "the old orcs quickly burned the tower"
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edit 1. I saw that the adverb is not agreeing in number so: urukfuz ghshuzut hzarz lug
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edit 2. I saw that I somehow confused the adjectives - this i now corrected.


Un4givenOrc  2017-12-23, 15:41:51

I think adverbs do not have plural form. Adjectives do in any form


bjornaxen  2017-12-25, 21:08:42

There are two collective plural, -hai and -k. In contrast to the ordinary plural these can be used with people and races. So we have uruk-hai (the orc people) as the most famous example. And then in the lessons (IV) there is an example of the -k ending used with  shark (old man) > sharkk "all old men". So both the collective plurals can be used with people and races but what is the difference between them. What does shark-hai mean "all the old people" or maybe "the society of old men" or is it equivalent to sharkk? Or is it just gibberish.


bjornaxen  2018-01-01, 16:47:30

In lesson XIII on suffix order, verbs collective #6 two endings are given, -k and -zh. The -zh ending is used with a verb 'ufubulzh' (will frighten them slightly). I cannot find this -zh in the lessons or in the wordlists (there is "azh (conj, HORN) "also").

It seems to mean "slightly" but then it is not a collective. Confusing


Un4givenOrc  2018-01-09, 13:27:04
bjornaxen wrote:

n the lessons (IV) there is an example of the -k ending used with  shark (old man) > sharkk "all old men". So both the collective plurals can be used with people and races but what is the difference between them. What does shark-hai mean "all the old people" or maybe "the society of old men" or is it equivalent to sharkk? Or is it just gibberish.

I think it's Scatha's mistake.
I don't like interpretation of -hai as collective plural suffix nor simply as "folk", "people of" etc. However I can't offer better one.

bjornaxen wrote:

n lesson XIII on suffix order, verbs collective #6 two endings are given, -k and -zh. The -zh ending is used with a verb 'ufubulzh' (will frighten them slightly). I cannot find this -zh in the lessons or in the wordlists (there is "azh (conj, HORN) "also").

I've added this shortly before my HDD crashed. Online version of dictionary is not updated still.
Here -uuk and -aazh are something like verb's aspect (perfect and "partial" respectively). Interpretation of "-uuk" as "completely", "fully" is taken from A. Nemirovsky's analysis



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